Hi Mom, You are a genius. My mind is completely blown.
I hardly understand what you are talking about. I kind of get it. You kind of lost me there on the whole stone thing. So if I
understand correctly, you are saying that Christ is the stone upon which we should build. The tower of Babel was built out of bricks which don't last kind
of like how ultimately the kingdom of the devil will fall, and great will be the fall of it! So I'm still trying to wrap my head around
the whole Bethel thing. So Bethel was considered one of the most sacred spots in all of Israel (according to the bible dictionary). Beth means House and El means God.
House of God. The temple. The temple should be
made out of stone, not brick because it will last.
Families last forever. The temple is built by the sons of God and there we
become HIs sons and his daughters. And so if I am understanding correctly, the temple is compared to a tower made out of stone
(made of Christ). We are also temples as Paul says and we are meant to reach heaven. I really like the whole tower symbolism. If i am right, it sounds like often in the scriptures it talks about watchmen upon the towers. These watchmen are the prophets. You mentioned King Benjamin and Samuel, Shem but also one that comes to mind is Nephi upon his tower. I think Jesus gives a parable about that too. These men are high priests/prophets who are high so they can see
the problems that will arise. It reminded me of a
scripture that is repeated about 4 times in the book
of mormon by Abinadi, and Jesus quoting Isaiah:"Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voicetogether shall they sing; forthey shall see eye to eye when the Lord shall bring
again Zion"
(Mosiah 12: 22, Mosiah 15:29, 3 Nephi 18:20, 3 Nephi 20).When I read this verse I wonder what the phrase
"they shall see eye to eye" means. It sounds to me that it's talking about the apostles, and when they make decisions they have to be working in unanimity. Maybe that's what it means. What do you think? Well, all of this talk is very appropriate for general
conference coming up this weekend. And I am
curious to see who the 3 new apostles will be.
I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was my old mission president, President McCune. I am no prophet though. We taught a guy the other day though on exchanges who thought he was a prophet though haha. So a quick recap of this week: It was ok. Unfortunately, none of our investigators
made it to church. We started teaching one investigator, Cheryl, who
accepted to be baptized this Halloween. She has had a rough life and has been abused really bad lately. There's a lot of other things she is
dealing with too. We've finally been able to teach her now that her abusers are either in jail or living elsewhere. We met up with her on Thursday outside of a motel where she is living. She is a really god-fearing woman, and is just truly
poor as to things of the world, as well as poor in spirit. We are having a hard time right now getting in with
people. Most people don't keep their appointments, and we rarely get members to come help us out because we live 30 minutes away from
most of the ward members. The sisters live closer to all of the members and they
have way more success than anyone in the zone. Both the sisters and we cover the same area, but they live closer to the members so they have an advantage. We also only get so many miles to drive per month which plays a huge factor. Working witht the members is
the best way to find people to teach. When I become senior companion, I am probably going to do things a bit differently.
Elder Lovik is great though. We are bothtrying and being obedient, but not a whole lot is
happening at this very moment. Things will change
though. I mean we do have someone on date for baptism so that is good! Also this week, we had a zone leadership training meeting where President and Sister Morgan came. I got to play
"O How Lovely Was the Morning" (the first Paul
Cardall song I ever learned and my favorite one
probably)
as an intermediate musical number. That song is
really special to me because my testimony of Joseph Smith is reaffirmed everytime I play it. I kind of messed up and the piano sucked which kind of
made me mad, but it went okay. We got rebuked a little bit, but also got a lot of
council of how to improve. For instance,
Elder C. Scott Grow came to the mission last week and talked to all of the stake presidents who in turn passed it on to all of the bishops, that ward council meetings need to be changed. Ward Council should be all about people
who need their next ordinance. It's not a place to
bring your own agenda for Relief Society or what not. It should be all about helping PEOPLE. And now, the missionaries are supposed to
be an integral part of ward council. They are to stay the entire time and use our progress report to kind of guide the meeting. This way will
hasten the work of salvationbecause the best way to find and support investigators and
less actives/part-member families is through the
members. Just think, members are more likely to
help out with investigators that they know and care about. Using the ward council the right way is critical to missionary work. Hopefully our ward is doing ward council the way they should. Okay, I have to ask you a question now and I hope you will be able to respond because everyone
else I've asked can't answer it. So I was reading the other day in the book of mormon and came across a few verses. They all have to do with eternal life and who qualifies for it I guess. I will do all caps for emphasis. Mosiah 15:24---And these are those who have part in the first resurrection; and these are they that have died before Christ came, IN THEIR IGNORANCE, not having salvation declared unto them. And thus the Lord bringeth about the restoration of these; and they have a part in the first resurection, or HAVE
ETERNAL LIFE, being redeemed from the lord. -so to me here, it sounds like those who died in their
ignorance will have eternal life. Eternal life is the highest glory in the celestial kingdom, and they highest degree only correct? In
other words, exaltation. correct me if i am wrong Okay, another scripture -Mosiah 3:11 "For behold, and also his blood atoneth for the sins of those wh ohave fallen by the transgtression of Adam, WHO HAVE DIED NOT KNOWING THE WILL OF GOD CONCERNING THEM,
OR WHO HAVE IGNORANTLY SINNED." So here, again, those who died in their sins ignorantly are redeemed. And redeemed in the sense that they have eternal life Okay--another one D&C 137:7-9- " All those who have died without aknowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been
permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of god; also all that shall die henceforth without a WITHOUT A KNOWLEDGE of it, who would have receieved it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom. For I the lord will judge all men according to their WORKS, according to the DESIRE of their hearts. Okay now here's where I get confused. D&C 76:71-79 "And again, we saw THE TERRESTRIAL WORLD, and behold and lo these are they who are of the terrestrial.....behold, THESE ARE THEY WHO DIED WITHOUT LAW. And also they who are the spirits of men kept in prison whom the Son visited, and preached the gospel unto them, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh; WHO RECEIVED NOT THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS IN THE FLESH BUT AFTERWARD RECEIVED IT. These are they who are honorable men of the earth, who were blinded by the craftiness of men." So do you see my dilemma here. The first few verses i quoted say that those who die without law receiveeternal life and celestial glory. While this verse says that those who die without law are of the terrestrial glory. So which is it? And how does temple work play a factor into this? Why would we do ordinances such as sealings for people if they couldn't obtain eternal life in the first place? Because those of the terrestrial aren't sealed to their familes, correct? I seem to be missing something/ not understanding
something here and it's bothering me. The reason why it does, is because some people that I have/will teach have loved ones who have passed on who
didn't receive the gospel in this life. What do you tell a person who has had a spouse pass on who wouldn't join the church, or who didn't really have a fair chance because of their
circumstances? Do they still have achance at eternal life? Or what about those who never heard the
gospel, are they heirs of terrestrial or celestial?
If you could help me understand this please, it would be great. Perhaps you could send it to me by letter so I could get it sooner. If not that is okay. But I have prayed to understand this but I haven't found an answer yet. Anyways, that's just a question that has bothered me lately. Sorry this is a really long letter. But the week hasgone good.
Yesterday I had a tough day and wanted to give up. But the Lord always seems to pull me through if I just pray to him. It's
seriously the most despairing feeling though that I
get every once and a while. Right now I feel great though. So don't you worry. Well I love you (all of you) and I know the gospel is true because of the fullness of his blessings that he pours out upon me. I do have a hard time understanding how he answers my prayers though. I couldn't exactly tell you how he answers my prayers exactly. I need to work harder on my prayers. Like people say how they pray and they receive an answer and know what to do. For me though,
I kind of just make a decision out of who knows whatDoes that make any sense? Maybe you could enlighten with me some wisdom on that because i have a hard time with that?? The gospel is true. as Lehland (the black guy who
lives in the basement) always says. Love, Elder Soutas P.S. I can't believe BYU lost that bad. It ruined my day when someone in the ward texted me the half-time score haha. P.S.S. Tell people to send me letters. :)My response:Dear Ty-Hope this helps - a good outline of the degrees of glory - my personal thoughts are in RED1. The Telestial glory is for those who do not receive the gospel of Jesus Christ or the testimony of Jesus or the prophets of God, and who live sinful lives (see D&C 76:81–88, 98–103).Requirements for the Telestial Kingdom• they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus (v. 82)• they who deny not the Holy Spirit (v. 83)• they who say they are some of one, and some of another—some of Christ and some of John, and some of Moses—but received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the prophets, neither the everlasting covenant (vv. 99-101)• they who are liars and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie (v. 103; Rev. 22:15 adds murderers)(See D&C 76:99-101)2. The Terrestrial glory is for the honorable people of the earth who are deceived and for those who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus Christ (see D&C 76:71–79).Requirements for the Terrestrial Kingdom• Died without the law (v. 72)• Visited by the Son in the Spirit World, received not the Gospel in the flesh but did in the Spirit World (v. 73-4) “they felt it by the Spirit” (See D&C 137) - they felt it was true• Honorable men of the earth (v. 75)• They receive His glory, but not the fullness of His Glory (v. 76)
- to me this verse (76) is key - Christ visited with them in the spirit world but they chose not the ordinances (fullness of Glory to me means Temple and all the ordinances necessary for the celestial kingdom)
- Only question - why would they still refuse after gaining a testimony?- My opinion - agency is still in play here-not valiant-
- I guess it’s kind of like people on earth today who still consider themselves mormon, know it’s true yet still never go to the temple (I know a lot of people like that)
- The more I study-and I study A LOT :) the more I see how the temple is the key and symbol of the atonement of Christ and you need to be built on that rock = temple :) !!!!!!!
- therefore:
• Not valiant in the testimony of Jesus (v. 79)
Melvin J. Ballard said: “Now those who died without law, meaning the pagan nations, for lack of faithfulness, for lack of devotion in the former life, are obtaining all that they are entitled to. I don't mean to say that all of them will be barred from entrance into the highest glory. Any one of them who repents and complies with the conditions might also obtain celestial glory, but the great bulk of them will only obtain terrestrial glory.” ("The Three Degrees of Glory," by Melvin J. Ballard)
lazy, indifferent - didn’t want to Do it every day of their lives…prayer, scriptures, FHE, temple attendance….renewing covenants Not enduring to the end Unfortunately we all know a lot of people who do this. Hopefully we can teach them why it is so important.
3. The Celestial glory is reserved for those who obey the commandments and receive the ordinances, overcome all things by faith in Jesus Christ, and become pure in heart (see D&C 76:50–70).
by the way pure in heart = again a temple image :) Psalms 23 - Who shall ascend to the Hill (Mountain) of The Lord,or who shall stand in his Holy place? He that hath clean hands and a pure heart
I really comes down to the temple!!
Requirements of the Celestial Kingdom: =(Doctrine of Christ)
• Receive the testimony of Jesus (v. 51)
• Believe on His name (we might say faith) (v. 51)
• Baptized (v. 51)
• Keep the commandments (v. 52)
• Receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost (v. 52)
• Overcome by faith (v. 53)-endure to end (I believe is to partake of ordinances weekly-sacrament and temple)
• Sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise (v. 53) (a temple ordinance)
The doctrine in D&C 137 in light of the Celestial Kingdom:
In these verses the principles upon which the doctrine of salvation for the dead rests are announced for the first time in this dispensation. They are:
• first, that the doctrine applies only to those who “died without a knowledge” of the gospel;
• second, that God must read the hearts of those concerned and affirm that had the gospel come to them in mortality they would have accepted it; see D&C 137:7-9
• and third, that God must judge that not only would they have accepted the gospel but that they would have done so “with all their hearts,” meaning that they would have endured valiantly and faithfully to the end.